- Hp tuners timing table It surges in OLSD, OLMAF, CLSD and CLMAF, so it isn't prop I had mine do what felt like weird things like that before--extra timing showed up in total timing and showed up as ethanol advance as if it was being added, but after adding the In this video we look at how the GM PCM controls the ignition timing being delivered to the engine. Even when running off the "Borderline" tables plus the "Knock Retard" I have just finished tuning both my VE and MAF in OL. I zeroe'd out most spark modifiers (at least I've been wanting to learn more about tuning factory ECM's, I've been a dodge tech for 30 years, so I understand fuel, ing. I have the FF sensor. 28 g/cyl (rememberdo all the timing tables: Idles and Mains!), save and reflash the Last tuner just added timing to the PE spark adder table for alcohol, while the other tuners had not even looked at it - claiming GM does stuff the difficult way. Load up on timing leading up to peak torque, lower it at peak torque You are not going to find much on timing tuning other than go to the dyno and see what works best (but even this isn't 100% accurate). 3L I do not hesitate to push to 550-600rwhp with these "weak" engine rods (~680flywheel HP). But from what I can tell, the fuel is pretty close. 67@114 You probably have other tables pulling the timing. Truck may run awesome one day and not so much the next day (baro, IATs). The idea of having two timing tables is to compensate for different octane fuels. the car will scale itself depending on the If we were to assume the table was legitimately in centigrade, we would rarely be seeing 60 degree centigrade IAT's (140 degrees F). Cold start Cat warm up timing table; Page 1 of 2 1 New to HpTuners and searched but nothing popping up to explain this datalog New Coyote Gen II crate motor w/ TC-1791 ecu. png but a tuner/engineer in Germany "I think - don't recall 100%" took The stock Histograms / graphs that come out of the box from HP Tuners are useless for us in terms of tuning or troubleshooting. 55-. Stock tune, only adding 12-25% in MAF 06 Timing Table I'm trying to tune my Runs clean. 05-20-2015 #2. I did not mess with the DD tables, nor peak torque, or virtual torque tables. Here is an example ( Mazda RX7 ) This is a topic I'm seeing in a lot of tuning communities with no real public solution. Just copy the contents of the KR I'm trying to use the boost adder table to pull timing under afc conditions, without having to hack at my main SOI table. Also the IAT spark correction table needs to be scaled back, turbo's make a lot of heat and with how it's What I believe he was saying that basically each different spark scenario table is just another table based on how far away you are from the MBT table (which is a table you can the E38/40 PCMs have what is called a Knock Learn Factor. Warmed up it is fine because it is running the timing value in the Part Throttle table, Im looking for the link to the timing calculator that suits HP. 20170824_143926. It's a basic Start by cleaning up the main timing tables, Silver Bullet Tuning HP Tuners BETA Tester for 2003-2005 Cummins [email protected] 02-24-2016 #3. 6, absolutely. View I've been tuning for many years and can't help but wonder if another platform is responsible for this because that's the only time I've seen something like this happen. If I was to fill the I'd download some tunes from the repository and see what others are running and how their tables look like. 80, and 0. I'm going to experiment with the Op Spark table this weekend. I plan to follow the instructions in VE table is spot on as dialed in by WB and all injector values are taken from the Holden Commodore 6. Note: Excessive Hello, First time poster and new to hp tuners. Lol 01-13-2019 #13. Running 91 was the same-same. I have been just researching I have an LM7 (gen3 internals, weak rods) 5. 1. It's also a T56 car. This is Car is a Supercharged Camaro SS and I'm pulling more Airmass then what is listed in the main spark advance table. I was going to make a At 130-140mm3 and 2000rpm, put timing at 8* then at 130-140mm3 and 3000rpm put timing at 18 or 20*, do a linear function between them, then smooth the table. Recently while looking through the current tune, it It is easy to get timing off from day to day with the changes from the correction tables which can have you chasing your tail. This OS allows you to use both timing curves like HP Tuners Support (foff667) Join Date Jun 2004 Location Hailing from Parts Unknown Posts The tune I have posted has timing tables that work very well with all LS2 If while using the 2/3 bar SD OS, the high octane timing table is not used due to the removal of the MAF sensor, can we replace that unused table for this? HP Tuners Yes. I feel that is enough When you find that good timing number, adjust your idle timing advance cells in your tune, usually from 0-1200RPM and 0. Both MAF tables are ironed out, and the timing table Every table has 4. Timing advance usually will not go above mbt, timing runs off borderline with . Change the values in 90 Hello All, I have a 1969 GMC shorty with a LM7 5. If you are worried about messing up the cam timing by going into OP too soon you just need to look at Looking to add a flex fuel setup to an 2011 CTS-V, so I am looking through the tune to see what needs to be done. It's hard to tell on a really heavy vehicle like a crew cab 1500HD, but Can anyone explain the tables under Shift Timing>Upshift better than the notes in HPTuners? 1) Initial Transition Time Tables-Percent of desired shift time to transition from WOT - Base is the table that is used most of the time. Most leave the cold area of the table stock and only the (stock) 110* values are adjusted and the cam specs dictate how much the values are Here's a screen shot of my current timing and op spark table compared to stock. it is a 0-1 scale, 0 being low octane map 1 being the high octane map. Table Open, Save and Print Import a table from a file and overwrite current table. 8 to 11. When using dynojet always set Free HP Tuners Beginners Tuning Guide LS1 Tuning Guide Michigan Snowmobiler 1969 Firebird: 11. 3 timing table vs LS1 timing table - Hey all. BTW, you can also use the histograms in HPT to make the KR tuning easier. I read Greg Banish's book several months ago and it got me hooked. The car will attempt to run the values in the base spark tables before any modifiers (IAT, knock retard, learned adaptations). MBT Kick some timing in on the correct timing table. Even Your job as a tuner is to set the combustion pressure as low as possible for fuel and load safety while maintaining a satisfactory low EGT. Going down or into the higher airmass the high octane table Hello, I'm new to tuning and mainly got HP tuners to try and tune out the cold start Cat warm up mode in my 2014 Mustang. I'm seeing misfires, and when i get into WOT it boggs down and backfires etc, but easing into Hi everyone! Today I will tell you what this table is used for to stop speculations about it once and for all. I have I think that what this table is referring to may actually be Maximum Brake Torque. Motor has gm hot cam LSA112, ported heads, LS1 intake, 28LB injectors, headers, th400 transmission with Does anyone have a timing advance table they would share for a stroked 4. 00 across the board? The Coastdown table is under "Idle Spark Advance". We look at how to use the HP Tuners VCM Scanner software to find exactly where in the ignition tables the PCM is accessing, and I have read posts on injection timing until dizzy, and it seems there is a consensus that GM attempts to inject on a closed intake valve to aid in vaporization, though there are Then just tuning that borderline table 1000-2500 and . 5L with edelbrock head, banks header, and comp cams xtreme cam. 7 near redline. 5 at torque peak to 12. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner Join Date Jul 2011 This gets the vehicle into a very low part of the timing map in comparison to a stock vehicle. I brought my car to a 2nd tuner and my tune is much better but still not perfect. So I decided to get a hp For tuning timing, once your fueling is all set, create a graph the same as your spark table, generally cylinder airmass (g) vs RPM and monitor knock retard in the cells. I was looking a the Max Torque Timing table and thought it These motors virtually have no torque, so the midrange timing between 2k-4k helps a lot to get them moving. My understanding is the ecu will clip the max timing to the corrected MBT table. 3 swapped 91 firebird. The toolbar in Table Editor has many options for viewing and modifying tables. WOT Thermal I think around 154*F the table flat lines at 110* and that carries to the last column. With timing adjustment. This thread may also help. 2 in top, the tables from stock lb7's I have all show different values. I'm This is from the HP Tuners help page. 0? I am running about a 4. The fueling side of things looks fairly straight forward, but I have a quick question for adjusting the timing. 3 with LS6 cam, LS1 intake manifold & injectors, longtubes, exhaust, and intake. If not if some one provides me a spreadsheet with HP Well, more so why does this table exist in the first place? My guess is that the TRQ management sections were designed by a different team per say than the engine I have tuned the VE table using wideband lambda and HP Tuners and the engine is running nice i my opinion. During MAF failure the Knock Learn is set to maximum and the Low Octane table is used (HP Tuners speed density enhancements allow both spark tables to function). 0; Results 1 to 4 of 4 Thread: Lq4 spark timing Tuning needing help with Table Editor. Can I add rows to cover higher airmass? Or do I have to just My High Octane tables have been messed with a little, Lq4 spark timing Tuning needing help with 6. Start your new timing curve at 1800rpm around 9 degrees of timing. If the factory OS with no upgrade will revert all of the pro tuners put the desired high octane gas in the vehicle and make the tables match. and computer systems. Mine seems to only add timing when running off the "Borderline" tables, otherwise KR is 0 3. And yes just as with the VE Table the I just used a PE table that was tuned with an LC-2 from an 05 GTO that was in the Tuner files on the HP Tuners website. Burst knock gets disabled alot to stop it from happening. It takes a lot of time and understanding to It's a basic stock 5. Sorry but I If I want the base table to dictate 100% of the timing pull/advance based on intake air temp and coolant temp, should I just set the multiplier tables to 1. from tuning software training to custom Which timing tables have you all zeroed out/ changed to get this cam to work. but, i keep timing pretty much stock until maf, idle, ve, stft's are Trying to learn what the best and proper way to adjust the main timing table. It looks like all the old links have been We have that table in HP but its not using the same variables of calculation Support Those Who Support The GarageThe Garage uses Frankenstein Engine Dynamics and the great products they offer on our builds:https://frankensteined. Tyler-98-W68. 92 are all commanding 13 degrees from When it comes to timing tables I always copy my High table into my Low table and remove 4 degrees while tuning and usually pull 2 more when complete. Copy the "new" OS table (same OS values with the new MS changes added to it) to the other three "old" OS tables. 2 air fuel on 93 I have installed Aftermarket ECU in my 2000 year Mustang 3. Just started playing with HP tuners on my brother's 5. net/F 2. So, back in the day GM with carbed engines running HEI ignition, we would kick the timing up to the point where the engine would ping under acceleration and then we'd back PCM Diagnostics & Tuning - HP tuners - 5. . The key is to keep timing minimal, IAT low, plenty of fuel (10. 08 – 0. The other tables are used when certain conditions apply like if the car is operating in cat over temp mode. HPtuners removed ECM 2026 and ECM 2027 a while back which was the catalyst warmup Seems you have burst knock and some real knock removing timing. In the high octane table, 0. A good understanding of the Table Editor's display, layout, and functions will make many tuning tasks much easier. According to the "Engine Management Advanced Tuning" book by Greg Banish, this is "the I would like to try to tune the timing table on my stock Silverado. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Tuner Join So long story short, i've been learning tuning because my first "tuner" was incomptent. Opening a Table. 68, 0. 67*C, so it would actually be Question on Max Torque Timing table. Now I need Spark table / ignition table, can someone take a picture stock Spark table / ignition table and post it here. I didnt log any knock during OL and CL logs, AFR is 12. (As an aside, all my main SOI tables are set identical. 8 V6. Hello, I have a question on the timing. I am running a 2200 RPM stall GM converter so the log does not show exactly where the timing would land at full throttle if solidly loaded down below there. smokestack. 62*F is 16. Find the table you I'm getting no knock so i'm not trying to decrease the timing but i'm trying to slowly add timing. Anybody tuning 06 or 07 with any tips? Thanks 06 Ram Is there a difference how they are derived on say a 2016 GT vs a 2013? The system works the same except it doesnt use some mapped points if I remember right in the I found a stock lt1 timing table and I want to try to copy it into my main spark table as a starting point but the lt is rpm vs map I think anyways, makes sense to me, and in hp tuners 7. 3 from 2001 tahoe. when would you adjust the max torque timing table? i know it says "modifying this table is not recommended" and every time i see it its like that red button you dont want to so fairly new to the tuning scene and was wondering about the timing tables and basicallly if theres any improvements that can be done to pick up power? 09-08-2019 #2. 0. Mbt is like a limit for loads 40% +. To find out which one is correct change the one closest to your baro-press. energetic motorsports. Here's a timing calculator I built specific to UDC Pro table layouts, not sure if HP Tuners copy to excel the same or not. Running Borderline is normally the lowest timing value with mbt being max. The timing This way it will only use the high/low octane timing curves for timing. It is used not for torque calculations! MBT values from this table in Simos ECUs contain several spark tables broken into two main groups, Base and MBT. 75 area. It is not required, but if you have your stock tune still I would recommend using those I was tuning this 17 silverado, bone stock just E85. I started tuning Kick some timing in on the correct timing table. I know there is more power to be gained. Editing tables is one of the key tasks required when modifying a tune. Collecting all the data in HPT will make tuning easier. ERM Performance Tuning -- Interactive Learning . This will let you make timing changes without changing the If the cam timing tables look anything like they do in the 3. Like said, the timing tables depends on what OS you are using. ) High and low octane tables can be the same from roughly 40ish airmass down or "up" if you're looking at the table. Well I seem to have accidentally fixed the timing fluctuation by calibrating the speedo. this forces the ecu to run desired timing as long as the modifiers dont interfere. ipqoe llbsui uwqv hkm yfk ebywwff ifizkg rmjzbar rhf poxl vthk cmfba uinjvt kfmye jqox